"Causality is in the mind"

I started transcribing a video because Dr. David Hawkins was talking about quantum mechanics in a way very similar to what I've been researching -- and he's spot on -- but then he took it in a completely different direction than I expected. This transcript is from the end of the first video linked below. The sequel is even more interesting but no longer about quantum mechanics, so none of it is transcribed. I will say I've personally had unusual experiences similar enough to what Hawkins describes in this interview, that I really like how mellow and rational he is about all this, since some of it's well beyond rational consideration. He's also good at casually steering the interviewer away from a hagiographic tone, which is entertaining to watch. Have fun...

Hawkins: The world looks to the average human mind like a world of causality, a Newtonian paradigm, where there is a 'this' that causes a 'that.' It doesn't really work that way. What happens is that a potentiality becomes an actuality. That is witnessed sequentially and therefore you think there is causality in the world. Causality is in the mind. So the most important thing I try to teach, in transcending identification of the ego and the mind, is the difference between what Descartes called res interna -- that means 'that of the mind' and res externa, 'that of the world.' The illusion is that one thinks that what one sees in the mind, then they project it on the world, and they think that that's in the world. So causality makes sense to the mind, so therefore it's 'out there.' It's a presumption. The 'out there' has no concept, so causality couldn't be out there because that's only a concept that only exists in the head.

Interviewer: But there is a world that we're interacting with...?

Hawkins: Very definitely is.

Interviewer: What is that world, there's no way to know it?

Hawkins: We don't really know it, except our subjective experience of its phenomena. We are processing sequences of phenomena, that's what our mind is doing all the time.

Interviewer: What's the point of that, if that's an illusion?

Hawkins: It's not necessarily an illusion, because the subjective reality is a subjective reality and there's an external that's also an external reality.

Interviewer: But it seems like the subjective reality is an illusion, the fact that there's a me and a you...?

Hawkins: That's a presumption. So what we try to do is transcend the presumptions of the mind and the presumptions of the mind that come about because of the structure of the ego. So what we try to do is go back in time to see: how did the ego arise? We see that the field of consciousness itself is infinitely powerful, and when it interacted with matter on this planet, out of that arose life. Life arose out of the infinite field of consciousness itself, which alone has sufficient power.

Interviewer: You could say infinite field of consciousness, you could also say God...

Hawkins: Buddha said it's bettter not to mention God because people have all kinds of conceptions about God. But consciousness sounds a little safer. Then you see the evolution of consciousness up through the animal kingdom. In fact you can calibrate the energies, calibrate the levels of consciousness throughout the animal kingdom, and it eventually comes to man.

Interviewer: And as we head back to the infinite consciousness... so man is the bridge, from the spark of life back to the infinite consciousness.

Hawkins: He becomes the bridge. So then he has this protoplasm, the body, and he has the animal brain and animal instincts, and that's the basis of the structure of the ego.

Interviewer: It's the animal side.

Hawkins: Yeah, that's the beginning of it. And we share many things with the animal, territoriality, all that. On top of being an animal, we've developed a prefrontal cortex. We were doing okay before we got a prefrontal cortex. Up here, we have the capacity of the angelic awareness, of spiritual reality, and back of the brain here, we're still an animal. So man has the unenviable position of having the instincts of the animal and the forebrain of an angel, and so his life is very very difficult. At first, you just have the physical prefrontal cortex, and then as you start to become spiritually awakened, the spiritual energy changes the way the brain functions, and you develop beside the protoplasmic physical brain an energy brain called the etheric brain. The etheric brain is more like an energy field. The spiritualized person actually processes things differently; they see things differently, they experience them differently...

Here are the links:

Power vs. Force - Dr. David Hawkins Interview part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7k1dxdv10g

Dr. David Hawkins part 2 - Maps of Consciousness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl7OHvh6GEk

Now here is the third video, actually the first one I was watching til I read one of its comments directing me to the above. Both interviews (i.e all 3 videos) are excellent, but this one is entirely focused on Quantum Mechanics and mathy stuff, in case the preceding link is getting too spiritual for your tastes.

Mind and the Wave Function Collapse, John Hagelin in conversation with Henry Stapp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSv0NLSCEYo

 

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